111417wsmHARNETT COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
Minutes of Work Session
November 14, 2017
The Harnett County Board of Commissioners met in work session on Tuesday, November 14,
2017, in the Commissioners Meeting Room, County Administration Building, 102 East Front
Street, Lillington, North Carolina.
Members present:
Gordon Springle, Chairman
Barbara McKoy, Commissioner
Abe Elmore, Commissioner
Howard Penny, Commissioner
Member absent: Joe Miller, Vice Chairman
Staff present:
Paula Stewart, Interim County Manager
Dwight Snow, County Attorney
Kimberly Honeycutt, Finance Officer
Margaret Regina Wheeler, Clerk
The following agenda was before the Board:
> Harnett/Chatham/Wake County Boundary Line Project
> EMS Part-time salaries
➢ Update on HARTS
➢ Update on Veteran Services
• County Manager's Report:
- 2018 Schedule of Meetings Harnett County Board of
Commissioners
- Invitations and upcoming meetings
➢ Closed Session
➢ Adjourn
Chairman Springle called the meeting to order at 9:00 am. Commissioner Elmore led the Pledge
of Allegiance and invocation.
Harnett County GIS/E-911 Operations Administrator Clint Williams presented the
HamettlChatham/Wake County Boundary Lines project. GIS Specialist Sean Burke was also
present. Mr. Williams reported there are discrepancies regarding the location of shared county
boundary lines, which he said is common in North Carolina. He said boundary line uncertainties
could affect tax assessment and property value; deed recordation; zoning, permits and building
inspections; public safety; Board of Elections; and school system. Mr. Williams said today's
technology can locate boundary lines much more precisely and uncover discrepancies.
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Mr. Williams said Wake County approached Harnett County about inconsistency in the lines in
2010. In November 2010, Harnett County requested NC Geodetic Survey (NCGS) to survey the
Harnett Wake county line. The survey was completed at no cost to the county. NCGS
discovered the actual Chatham -Harnett -Wake corner 520' southwest of the 1961 corner. Mr.
Williams said NCGS has proposed an established line for Chatham, Harnett and Wake counties
to consider. Harnett, Chatham and Wake have meet three times with NCGS and all counties
agree with the NCGS survey results.
Mr. Williams referenced the following general statutes:
NCGS 153A-17 Existing Boundaries, "The boundaries of each county shall remain as presently
established, until changed in accordance with law." (1973, c. 822, s.1.)
NC 153A-18 Uncertain or Disputed Boundary, "Uncertain boundaries may be resolved between
two or more counties through a survey or ortho photography mapping. The established line must
be adopted by the Board of Commissioners of each county."
Mr. Williams shared preliminary figures regarding the new established line. The changes will
cause some properties currently in one county to be in another county, or split some
properties between two counties. He noted there are many issues to work out. Mr. Williams
outlined next steps to move forward:
➢ Brief Board of Commissioners in each county.
➢ Prepare legislation to change the Chatham -Harnett -Wake County corner.
> Outreach to affected property owners along the Chatham -Harnett -Wake Line. A public
meeting will be held on December 5, 2017 at 5:30 at the Northwest Harnett Fire
Department.
• Chatham -Harnett -Wake Board of Commissioners consider a joint resolution to establish
the county boundary lines.
Mr. Williams requested permission to proceed with resolving the current county boundary
discrepancies with Chatham and Wake County. It was the consensus of the Board of
Commissioner for staff to proceed as presented.
Harnett County Emergency Services Director Jimmy Riddle discussed EMS part-time salaries
and requested guidance and feedback. EMS Chief Rick Denning was also present. Mr. Riddle
said Harnett County utilizes part-time paramedics on average approximately 1300 hours monthly
to backfill vacancies. He said they could not meet this need with their part-time paramedics so
they first mandate full-time overtime, which is creating burn out issues for those employees. Mr.
Riddle said they are unable to keep their part-time roosters full because the county does not pay
the same as surrounding counties. The estimated cost to pay part-time paramedics the same as
surrounding counties is over $50,000 a year. Staff noted the recent Springsted Compensation
Study did not look at part-time positions. Mrs. Stewart said this is a problem with nontraditional
work hours.
Mr. Riddle reported they are experiencing larger call volumes and the increase in the need for
event coverages. He said they have recently had to take 911 transport vehicles off the road and
place a single paramedic on a Quick Response Vehicle limiting their capabilities of transporting
patients. Chairman Springle mentioned the Board recently approved making some part-time
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positions full-time to help with this. Mr. Denning responded any time you add full-time
positions you still need part-time positions to cover when they are out. It was the consensus of
the Board that staff work to develop a pay plan for this part-time help to bring back to the Board.
General Services Director Barry Blevins and Transit Program Manager Larry Smith provided an
update on the Harnett Area Rural Transit System (HARTS). Mr. Blevins said HARTS has
changed a lot in the last few years under Mr. Smith's leadership. Mr. Smith listed their agency
demographics also referred to as "funding sources". He said their new transportation planning
software (CTS) has helped significantly. Mr. Smith said CTS geographically plans routes to
reduce mileage, hours, wait times and increases ridership. CTS has detailed and accurate billing
logs which has given them the ability to produce billing invoices in hours compared to weeks
with their previous software. They are also finalizing installation of their tablet -based operating
system into the vehicle fleet. Mr. Smith reviewed details for HARTS 1St quarter since the CTS
adoption showing revenue after deducting operating expenses as $26,853.98. Staff responded
that they will research the possibility of working more than first shift and reviewed their process
for transporting dialysis patients.
Director of Veteran Services Eric Truesdale provided an update on Veteran Services.
Veteran Service Officers Amy Noel and John Elskamp talked about the Veterans Services
Department Outreach Program. The mission of the outreach program is to serve veterans and
their families in Harnett County who have limited mobility obtain benefits from the Department
of Veteran Affairs and the State of North Carolina. Mr. Truesdale distributed a DMVA resource
guide. The group also talked about the recent Veteran's Court ceremony and awards.
Mrs. Stewart presented the proposed 2018 Schedule of Meetings for Harnett County Board of
Commissioners for discussion. She also reviewed invitations and upcoming meetings for
commissioners.
There was no need for closed session.
Commissioner Elmore moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:11 am. Commissioner Penny
seconded the motion that passed 4 — 0.
ret Regina eeler, Clerk
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