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Minutes of Joint Special Session with the Harnett County Board of Education
July 7, 2009
The Harnett County Board of Commissioners and the Harnett County Board of Education met in
special session on Tuesday, July 7, 2009, in the Commissioners Meeting Room, County
Administrative Building, 102 East Front Street, Lillington, North Carolina.
Members present: Timothy B. McNeill, Chairman
Beatrice B. Hill, Vice - Chairman
Dan B. Andrews, Commissioner
Gary House, Commissioner
Jim Burgin, Commissioner
Staff present: Scott Sauer, County Manager
Wm. A. (Tony) Wilder, Assistant County Manager
Dwight W. Snow, County Attorney
Sylvia Blinson, Finance Officer
Jennifer Slusser, Staff Attorney
Margaret Regina Daniel, Acting Clerk
Board of Education
Member present: Donna McNeill, Chair
Billy Tart, Vice- Chairman
Vivian Bennett
Thomas Womble
Craig Matthews
Staff present:
Phil Ferrell, Superintendent
Bob Troutman, Finance Officer
Sylvia Wallace, Clerk
Chairman McNeill, reconvene the meeting of the Harnett County Board of Commissioners.
Chair Donna McNeill called the Harnett County Board of Education membership to order.
Ms. Carolyn Smith, representing Congressman Bob Etheridge's office, stated the reason for the
meeting which was for the Harnett County Commissioners and the Board of Education members
to find out the status of school construction money. She stated that Congressman Etheridge was
scheduled to be in attendance at this meeting; however, he was called on to attend a Ways and
Means Committee Meeting. Mrs. Smith said she was at this meeting to gather information and
questions to take back to the Congressman. She turned the floor over to Ben Matthews,
Assistant Superintendent of the N.C. State Department of Public Instruction.
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Mr. Matthews talked about where we are with the American Recovery Reinvestment Act and the
American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act (AARA). These are two distinctive, different
Acts. He said there are a number of pieces of money that came down from the Federal
Government with one being Stabilization money. This is the money that the governor has
control over, and it can be used to help with the budgetary shortfall that is taking place in North
Carolina and the entire country. In the ARRA legislation, it talks about money from the
Stabilization Act for school construction which has created some confusion. If there is any of
this money left over after the governor chooses to fill in the budget hole, the governor can by law
give some of this money in the form a grant to a school district for school construction which he
stated is unlikely to happen. He stated that there is a lot of money coming to the school districts
from under Title I.
Mr. Matthews explained the two construction pieces under the American Reinvestment and
Recovery Tax Act which are Qualified Zone Academy Bonds and Qualified School Construction
Bonds. He said these are two different bond capabilities.
Mr. Matthews reported that the State of North Carolina received $56,699,000.00 in bonding
authority under the Qualified Zone Academy Bond piece. Mr. Matthews said North Carolina is
one of the best states in the nation in using QZAB. He said Harnett County has the capability to
apply for between $500,000 and $4 million for authority to sell Qualified Zone Academy Bonds
(QZAB). These bonds have to be used at a school that has 35% free and reduced lunch; it can be
more than one school. According to a federal law, the school must be clearly designated and
targeted. The other piece of QZAB is that you must have a business partner(s) who will donate
10% of the face value borrowed over the length of the repayment teiiii. He said all the school
system has to do is to send a letter stating that we have a business partner, who they are, and that
they have agreed to contribute 10% of the amount borrowed. Applications are due to DPI no
later than July 31, 2009 in order for it to be considered. QZAB is for renovations /rehabilitation,
not new construction with zero interest. The wage/hr. agreement was added on both types of
Bonds. Davis Bacon Act states that contractors must keep wage and hour documentation. The
question arose if QZAB dollars could be applied for to use for a project that is already under
construction. Mr. Matthews replied that if the documentation on wage/hr. could be done ; if you
are at a point where you could go back and negotiate that, DPI would agree to doing this. Mr.
Matthews stated that anyone who has not received a QZAB before would be first in receiving
QZAB dollars. The Bond Council to the State Treasurer set the minimum of $500,000. The $2
to $4 million was based on statistics used to pay repairs and renovations. A group of architects
and engineers dealing with school construction make the suggestion, and the superintendents and
Advisory Bond Group make the decision. Mr. Matthews cited numerous examples where dollars
can be applied toward the ten percent business partners that can be contributed toward the ten
percent. Mr. Matthews also said the program will also be available in 2010 with $44,099,000.
Qualified School Construction Bonds (QSCB) can be used for new construction and land
acquisition but cannot be used for debt service. It must follow the requirement of documentation
of the wage/hr. component. Mr. Matthews reported that Harnett County is authorized for
$2,483,426.25 this year. This is a zero interest bond and will also be available next year.
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The State was authorized approximately $275,000,000 with $88.6 million going to five counties
off the top which left over $187,167,000.00 for the remainder of the counties. One of the reasons
for the July 31 deadline is that the Department of Public Instruction (DPI) wants to know who in
the state is not going to use this. DPI's thinking was that they know there are some counties that
know specifically amounts of money they need.
Federal legislation states these bonds must be sold by December 31, 2009. Any of them not sold
basically revert to the State for reallocation in 2010 in that next year it is. A major piece of this
is to stimulate the economy and to provide jobs for people. Mr. Matthews stated that there is a
possibility that Harnett County can get more dollars, but will not know before the first two weeks
in August probably.
Chaiinian McNeill stated that Harnett County has $200 million worth of needs. He said the
bottom line is that the federal government is bringing over 4,000 children to Harnett County and
they should bear some responsibility for building the infrastructure these children need. It
shouldn't be on the property owners to bear this burden.
Chair Donna McNeill stated that no matter where the children are it cost money to educate them;
whether in Department of Defense schools or in the Harnett County Schools. She asked why the
money isn't following the child to educate the child. Mr. Womble asked if the dollars allotted to
the child at their previous school system could follow the child when they enroll in Harnett
County Schools. Chair Donna McNeill discussed the funding formula for federal impact aid for
Harnett County and emphasized it is not enough to provide an adequate education for a child.
Mrs. Smith said she would check with the DOD to try and get an answer to this question.
Chairman McNeill stated that DOD is spending billions of dollars closing military bases and they
need to help the communities that are absorbing this growth. Chairman McNeill added that
Harnett County has experienced a 24 percent growth average according to the Census Bureau
since 2000.
Mr. Matthews asked Sylvia Blinson, Finance Officer, if Harnett County had received any
indication that we would be eligible for any of the construction money from Impact Aid. Ms.
Blinson replied that nothing specific was received, only information that gave the certain bonds
that can be applied for.
Mr. Matthews said it was their understanding some time ago that the counties surrounding
Cumberland would receive some Impact dollars when the influx of military people came as a
result of BRAG. Chailinan McNeill and Chair Donna McNeill stated that they have heard this
for years, but no money has been received to date. Mr. Matthews said he had information that
stated there are $39.6 million and $59.4 million for grants; he said he would look into this
further.
Members asked Mrs. Smith to help the County receive impact aid. Chairman McNeill said there
is $100 million that's competitive among 26 growth communities across the country. He said it
gets politicized as to who has the political power in Congress as to where the money flows to.
Ms. Smith said she saw an e -mail about criteria required in order for systems to receive this type
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of impact aid. She didn't remember all the details, but thought she remembered that Russ and
David said that Harnett County didn't fall into one of the criteria and that was one of the
problems.
Eric Benson, a resident of Coats, addressed the Board. He said the military housing that is going
on in Harnett County today is the direct cause of a new high school. He said that is a
Department of Defense responsibility. Chaiinian McNeill emphasized the studies have been
done by the BRAC Regional Task Force showing that Harnett County was predicted to get 4,000
new students. Mr. Ferrell stated that in one of Harnett County's elementary schools, 63 percent
of the students are federally connected. We need a high school, middle school, and an
elementary school in that same area. Based on the percentages, each one of those schools would
be 30 to 50 percent federally connected students.
Chairman McNeill added that anyone going through that part of Harnett County today would see
houses under construction and houses just completed being moved into. He said that side of the
county, because of the expansion of Fort Bragg, has been insulated from the recession; but that
doesn't insulate us from the challenges that we face county -wide. Chaiiinan McNeill said local
citizens cannot bear this burden alone. Mr. Ferrell said in 2013 it has been projected that we will
have over a 4000 seat shortage. Chairman McNeill reminded those present that statute dictates
that we must educate these young people, and we do not have the funds to do it. Mr. Ferrell said
it takes over two years to design and build a school, assuming you have the land.
Mr. Ferrell then said they had built a new elementary school there, and opened it in January 2009
and capped it in February 2009. They have plans for a middle school, but the same thing will
happen. Chairman McNeill noted three or four buses travel in and out of the military housing
area bringing kids into our schools now and they don't even pay for the school buses. He said
there is no tax revenue whatsoever other than what money the residents may spend at stores or
restaurants in the county.
Mr. Matthews talked about the AARTA — American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act. If
under general AARTA construction, you must first use all American products, or go into lengthy
explanation why you cannot find them. Mr. Matthews stated that under the Tax Act, we are
excluded from that. He said that the USDA has some money that can be used in a grant scenario
and loans scenario. Another piece that DPI doesn't have control over is grant money from the
State Energy office. The state has in hand some money that can be used for solar hot - water,
solar panels on roofs of schools to put out electricity, there will be some pure grants available for
that for which the school system can apply. The precursor to this is that the school system must
have an Energy Management Plan in place. This grant money may continue for two more years.
There's a bill in the Senate about the green school construction. He said that QZAB is the first
time that the federal government has made any investments in construction in education.
Mr. Ben Matthews stressed the importance of the application being received by his office no
later than July 31. He said both Boards signing the application shows a good faith effort to sell
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these bonds by December 31, 2009. The Board of Education members passed a motion to
proceed with applying for $2.5 million of QSCB and in its notification to the Department of
Public Instruction of applying for $2.5 million.
Commissioner Andrews moved to assist the Harnett County Board of Education with their
application for $2.5 million of QSCB funds. The motion was seconded by Vice Chairman Hill
which passed unanimously.
The Board of Education members adjourned their meeting. Commissioner Andrews moved to
recess the meeting of the Harnett County Board of Commissioners until Friday, July 10, 2009 at
10:00 am. Vice Chairman Hill seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
eeler, Clerk
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